Comments on: Marvin Franklin: Second MTA Worker Killed in Five Days http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/ The only blog written from the NYC Subway system Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:27:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Emily CARTER http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-113702 Emily CARTER Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:27:14 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-113702 Undoubtfully great post you have here. It would be great to read more concerning this topic. Thnx for sharing that information. <a href="http://jeu-en-ligne.biz/" rel="nofollow">Emily CARTER</a> Undoubtfully great post you have here. It would be great to read more concerning this topic. Thnx for sharing that information.
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]]> By: Subway Supervisor Had a Role in Frankin Death : SUBWAYblogger.com: Blog from the New York City Subway | Transit | MTA | News http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-13111 Subway Supervisor Had a Role in Frankin Death : SUBWAYblogger.com: Blog from the New York City Subway | Transit | MTA | News Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:49:48 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-13111 [...] were stuck by a train, killing one.  A new report found that London was partly responsible for the death of transit worker, Marvin Franklin. The investigation found that Mr. London had told the workers that he would act as a flagman and [...] [...] were stuck by a train, killing one.  A new report found that London was partly responsible for the death of transit worker, Marvin Franklin. The investigation found that Mr. London had told the workers that he would act as a flagman and [...]

]]> By: SUBWAYblogger.com: Blog from the New York Subway » Blog Archive » MTA Tests the Protran1 Safety Equipment http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4792 SUBWAYblogger.com: Blog from the New York Subway » Blog Archive » MTA Tests the Protran1 Safety Equipment Mon, 14 May 2007 18:53:08 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4792 [...] few days ago, SUBWAYblogger reader Larry wrote a commenttalking about this Protran1 system saying that the MTA should look into it.  Looks like Larry was [...] [...] few days ago, SUBWAYblogger reader Larry wrote a commenttalking about this Protran1 system saying that the MTA should look into it.  Looks like Larry was [...]

]]> By: Tom McManus http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4466 Tom McManus Thu, 10 May 2007 17:25:52 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4466 Thank you SUBWAYblogger for the offer but I'll let Roger Tousaint handle the public relations. Larry, thank you for the suggestion about protrans product. I went to thier website and looked at the specifications. This device would work well in some situations but as you know New York City Transit is like no other system in the world. Some of the problems I forsee are: trains can run on as many as four tracks at the same time. This could cause confusion as to where to clear up. It also works on a radio frequency. Radios are line of sight unless you have repeaters. With all the curves this would result in dead zones. If you use repeaters we would never be able to work because the damn things would always be beeping, and dont forget many subway tunnels are multi-level. Trains run above and below us as well. Systems like Staten Island Transit could use this because they have only two tracks that are relatively tangent. As always the best protection is Flagging, when done properly it works well. Unfortunately the majority of transit workers getting clipped (thats what we call it) are setting up or removing flagging. They are unprotected while performing thier duties. Also the rules state that the first flag or lamp to be placed out must be the green, this is to ensure that the trains run on time for you folks. Then and only then can the flag person set out yellow caution lamps and then the red light and stop arm. A flagman for a track cleaning gang. The guys you see picking up trash from the tracks, walks approximately three miles of track for every four track station his gang will clean. They average three stations per night (thats why they walk so fast and pick up the debris that would most likely cause track fires). And you probably thought they were doing a shitty job. Radios might help us to know if the control tower is diverting a train, because of one of those sick passengers or slow trains because of the door holders. (nice segway huh!) Thank you SUBWAYblogger for the offer but I’ll let Roger Tousaint handle the public relations. Larry, thank you for the suggestion about protrans product. I went to thier website and looked at the specifications. This device would work well in some situations but as you know New York City Transit is like no other system in the world. Some of the problems I forsee are: trains can run on as many as four tracks at the same time. This could cause confusion as to where to clear up. It also works on a radio frequency. Radios are line of sight unless you have repeaters. With all the curves this would result in dead zones. If you use repeaters we would never be able to work because the damn things would always be beeping, and dont forget many subway tunnels are multi-level. Trains run above and below us as well. Systems like Staten Island Transit could use this because they have only two tracks that are relatively tangent. As always the best protection is Flagging, when done properly it works well. Unfortunately the majority of transit workers getting clipped (thats what we call it) are setting up or removing flagging. They are unprotected while performing thier duties. Also the rules state that the first flag or lamp to be placed out must be the green, this is to ensure that the trains run on time for you folks. Then and only then can the flag person set out yellow caution lamps and then the red light and stop arm. A flagman for a track cleaning gang. The guys you see picking up trash from the tracks, walks approximately three miles of track for every four track station his gang will clean. They average three stations per night (thats why they walk so fast and pick up the debris that would most likely cause track fires). And you probably thought they were doing a shitty job.
Radios might help us to know if the control tower is diverting a train, because of one of those sick passengers or slow trains because of the door holders. (nice segway huh!)

]]> By: Larry http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4437 Larry Thu, 10 May 2007 11:28:33 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4437 This is a very sad situation. With today's technology there should be a way for workers to know that there is a train in the area. I heard that other transit agencies are trying a device called a ProTracker, which detects trains and alerts the works with some sort of clip on device. I did a search and found it at www.protran1.com. Anything to save a life. This is a very sad situation. With today’s technology there should be a way for workers to know that there is a train in the area. I heard that other transit agencies are trying a device called a ProTracker, which detects trains and alerts the works with some sort of clip on device. I did a search and found it at http://www.protran1.com.

Anything to save a life.

]]> By: The SUBWAYblogger http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4264 The SUBWAYblogger Mon, 07 May 2007 21:40:15 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4264 Kristen- So sorry for your loss. I just want to reiterate that no one is BLAMING anyone. Also, if you or Tom would like to submit an article from your perspective, I would be happy to publish it as it's own article. Up to you. I have your email addresses from the comments, so if you are interested, I will email you off line directly. Kristen-

So sorry for your loss.

I just want to reiterate that no one is BLAMING anyone.

Also, if you or Tom would like to submit an article from your perspective, I would be happy to publish it as it’s own article. Up to you. I have your email addresses from the comments, so if you are interested, I will email you off line directly.

]]> By: Tom McManus http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4261 Tom McManus Mon, 07 May 2007 20:57:21 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4261 Kristen, I will always remember your father as a kind, quiet and gentle man. We last spoke about a month ago, his gang was assigned to a work train that I was the crane operator on. My condolences to you and your family. I am sorry you had to hear Mr. Hills detailed account, I know it disturbed me, and I'm used to that sort of talk. We will all miss Marvin and Danny but they will not be forgotten. At least they will have each other for company. Kristen, I will always remember your father as a kind, quiet and gentle man. We last spoke about a month ago, his gang was assigned to a work train that I was the crane operator on. My condolences to you and your family. I am sorry you had to hear Mr. Hills detailed account, I know it disturbed me, and I’m used to that sort of talk. We will all miss Marvin and Danny but they will not be forgotten. At least they will have each other for company.

]]> By: Kristen http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4259 Kristen Mon, 07 May 2007 20:17:04 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4259 I find it troubling that you put the blame on the workers. I am Mr. Franklin's stepdaughter and if you knew anything you would get the facts straight and not believe everything the media spews at you. Mr. Hill came to my stepfather's funeral and gave a very detailed account of what happened and by his account, they were following the instructions of their supervisor. This man has been part of my life for over 25 years and a transit worker for 22 years. He didn't not take safety lightly. His supervisor failed to flag for him and his coworker. So, yes, it is an unfortunate tragedy but a tragedy that could have been avoided if his supervisor alerted them that #1 the track was active and #2 flagged the oncoming train that there were workers down there. I find it troubling that you put the blame on the workers. I am Mr. Franklin’s stepdaughter and if you knew anything you would get the facts straight and not believe everything the media spews at you. Mr. Hill came to my stepfather’s funeral and gave a very detailed account of what happened and by his account, they were following the instructions of their supervisor. This man has been part of my life for over 25 years and a transit worker for 22 years. He didn’t not take safety lightly. His supervisor failed to flag for him and his coworker. So, yes, it is an unfortunate tragedy but a tragedy that could have been avoided if his supervisor alerted them that #1 the track was active and #2 flagged the oncoming train that there were workers down there.

]]> By: Tom McManus http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4250 Tom McManus Mon, 07 May 2007 16:29:45 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4250 Well I shouldn't expect you to understand our job. Hell I probably wouldn't understand yours. Well I shouldn’t expect you to understand our job. Hell I probably wouldn’t understand yours.

]]> By: The SUBWAYblogger http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4224 The SUBWAYblogger Mon, 07 May 2007 01:16:46 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4224 Well, let's look at the facts. The safe way would be to go up and over. The less safe way would be to cross the live tracks. So they chose the "quick shortcut." And even if they were ordered doesn't mean they had to if they thought it was dangerous. Anyway, no on is "blaming" them, but they are no longer here because of some unfortunate choices. Well, let’s look at the facts.

The safe way would be to go up and over.

The less safe way would be to cross the live tracks.

So they chose the “quick shortcut.” And even if they were ordered doesn’t mean they had to if they thought it was dangerous.

Anyway, no on is “blaming” them, but they are no longer here because of some unfortunate choices.

]]> By: Tom McManus http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4221 Tom McManus Sun, 06 May 2007 23:21:55 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4221 You Write: "Since the men were already working down on the tracks, they figured they would just take the quick shortcut across the tracks instead of going up and over" Mr. Hill who was the other trackworker struck by the train said "we were orderd" I don't believe you intentionaly ment to BLAME them but those are damning words. You Write: “Since the men were already working down on the tracks, they figured they would just take the quick shortcut across the tracks instead of going up and over” Mr. Hill who was the other trackworker struck by the train said “we were orderd” I don’t believe you intentionaly ment to BLAME them but those are damning words.

]]> By: The SUBWAYblogger http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4219 The SUBWAYblogger Sun, 06 May 2007 22:17:20 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4219 Who's blaming people? Not SUBWAYblogger. Who’s blaming people? Not SUBWAYblogger.

]]> By: Tom McManus http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/comment-page-1/#comment-4206 Tom McManus Sun, 06 May 2007 17:05:16 +0000 http://subwayblogger.com/2007/04/30/marvin-franklin-second-mta-worker-killed-in-five-days/#comment-4206 I find it troubling that you believe these men took it upon themselves to cross live tracks. As a trackman for over nineteen years I can tell you we are always crossing live tracks daily. Going to and from our jobs requires it. I personaly knew Danny Boggs and occassionaly worked with Marvin Franklin, they were both good men and safety consious. Track work is and always will be dangerous work. Please wait for the results of the investigation before assigning blame to these fine men. I find it troubling that you believe these men took it upon themselves to cross live tracks. As a trackman for over nineteen years I can tell you we are always crossing live tracks daily. Going to and from our jobs requires it. I personaly knew Danny Boggs and occassionaly worked with Marvin Franklin, they were both good men and safety consious. Track work is and always will be dangerous work. Please wait for the results of the investigation before assigning blame to these fine men.

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